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Published - Monday, July 07, 2008

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Maybe 2nd Amendment should be repealed


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Repeal the 2nd Amendment. No, we don’t suppose that’s going to happen any time soon. But it should. The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is evidence that, while the founding fathers were brilliant men, they could have used an editor.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
If the founders had limited themselves to the final 14 words, the amendment would have been an unambiguous declaration of the right to possess firearms. But they didn’t, and it isn’t. The amendment was intended to protect the authority of the states to organize militias. The inartful wording has left the amendment open to public debate for more than 200 years. But in its last major decision on gun rights, in 1939, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that that was the correct interpretation.

On Tuesday, five members of the court edited the 2nd Amendment. In essence, they said: Scratch the preamble, only 14 words count.

In doing so, they have curtailed the power of the legislatures and the city councils to protect their citizens.

The majority opinion in the 5-4 decision to overturn a Washington, D.C., ban on handgun possession goes to great lengths to parse the words of the 2nd Amendment. The opinion, written by Justice Antonin Scalia, spends 11½ pages just on the meaning of the words “keep and bear arms.”

But as Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in a compelling dissent, the five justices in the majority found no new evidence that the 2nd Amendment was intended to limit the power of government to regulate the use of firearms. They found no new evidence to overturn decades of court precedent.

They have claimed, Stevens wrote, “a far more active judicial role in making vitally important national policy decisions than was envisioned at any time in the 18th, 19th, or 20th Centuries.”

It’s a relief that the majority didn’t go further in its policymaking on gun control.

The majority opinion states that the D.C. handgun ban and a requirement for trigger locks violate the 2nd Amendment. By virtue of this decision, Chicago’s 1982 ban on handguns is not likely to survive a court challenge. A lawsuit seeking to overturn the Chicago ordinance was filed on Thursday by the Illinois State Rifle Association.

We can argue about the effectiveness of municipal handgun bans such as those in Washington and Chicago. They have, at best, had limited impact. People don’t have to go far beyond the city borders to buy a weapon that’s prohibited within the city.

But neither are these laws overly restrictive. Citizens have had the right to protect themselves in their homes with other weapons, such as shotguns.

Some view this court decision as an affirmation of individual rights. But the damage in this ruling is that it takes a significant public policy issue out of the hands of citizens. The people of Washington no longer have the authority to decide that, as a matter of public safety, they will prohibit handgun possession within their borders.

Chicago and the nation saw a decline in gun violence over the last decade or so, but recent news has been ominous. The murder rate in Chicago has risen 13 percent this year. Guns are still the weapon of choice for mayhem in the U.S. About 68 percent of all murders in 2006 were committed with a firearm, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

Repeal the 2nd Amendment? Yes, it’s an anachronism.

We won’t repeal the amendment, but at least we can have that debate.

Want to debate whether crime-staggered cities should prohibit the possession of handguns? The Supreme Court has just said, “forget about it.”

The majority, though, did state that the right under the 2nd Amendment “is not unlimited.” So what does that mean? The majority left room for state and local governments to restrict the carrying of concealed weapons in public, to prohibit weapons in “sensitive places such as schools and government buildings,” and to regulate the sale of firearms. The majority allowed room for the prohibition of “dangerous and unusual weapons.” It did not stipulate what weapons are not “dangerous.”

Lower courts are going to be mighty busy figuring out all of this.
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notme wrote on Jul 12, 2008 9:34 AM:

" We've been "tuned" in for quite some time. 48 states allow carry, and NONE of them has ever considered repealing their carry laws. There has NEVER been an incident where a permitted individual who was lawfully carrying was shot by an officer or shot an officer. Kind even said the fear tactics are unfounded, but Welch still refuses to accept the facts. "

Phil OBates wrote on Jul 11, 2008 8:24 AM:

" Michael,

Just because a citizen (who isn't a cop or in the Armed forces) is armed, that doesn't make them dangerous. In fact, armed citizens are actually safer than unarmed citizens. Only left-leaning liberal cops would be afraid of armed law-abiding citizens. "

Michael Welch wrote on Jul 10, 2008 12:24 PM:

" This decision is obviously NOT 'the last word'; it will excite numerous law suits indeed and it MUST be 'clarified' and I suspect modified by the court eventually. In the meantime we will taste some that Scalia 'pudding' and find out just how tasty or toxic it is eh?... "

mossberg590 wrote on Jul 10, 2008 12:29 AM:

" It interests me, once you have taken the "arms" from the law abiding. Who will be left to protect you from the people who have the "arms" illegally. Hmmm? The police, I think not. You "law makers" and I mean the ones who wish to take the "arms" away,are also the ones tying the hands of our police. You promote electronic monitors, half way houses and looking the other way so many times that sooner or later, some one dies. Then again, your not turning the criminals lose in your back yard, are you. You find a place for them in ours. Then you want to take my gun away. I will leave this country before I let you do that. You got my freedom of speech, my freedom of religion, and now you want to disarm me. Over my dead body. This not 1934 Adolf. "

notme wrote on Jul 9, 2008 6:17 PM:

" How is it "more dangerous" for police officers? Show me where police officers are in "more danger" in the 48 states that have carry laws. Even Ron Kind stated your fears are unfounded. "

notme wrote on Jul 9, 2008 6:14 PM:

" Read the DeShaney decision. It clearly states that the government is MORE obligated to prisoners than to the public, I provided the specifics.

People didnt want mixed race marriage, but here it is. Californians didnt want same sex marriage, but here it is, people didnt want desegregation or affirmative action, but here it is. Mr. Welch, you support all of these, but not our innate right to self-preservation, thats called hypocrisy.

If the government cannot be sued, then the government has no financial responsibility. Obviously we cannot jail the government, as that would impose an even greater burden than financial on the part of the government, and as we now agree there is no financial obligation on the part of the government to protect life and property, what obligation is there? "

Michael Welch wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:19 PM:

" You cite no particulars of these cases but obviously a municipality IS obligated to protect life and property to its best ability BUT it cannot be 'sued,' just as the military cannot be, for crimes that nonetheless occur. Individual corruption is illegal too. It CAN be prosecuted. Police officers don't look forward to a citizenry generally armed because it is more dangerous for them as the 'front line.' The supreme court's ruling WILL HAVE to be clarified AND I think modified; people don't really want 'more guns' available without strict supervision. So as Ronnie Reagan used to say 'Stay tuned!'... "

notme wrote on Jul 8, 2008 5:00 PM:

" I cited four examples (actual case law) of where the courts have held that government (police) are under NO OBLIGATION whatsoever to protect the public. As you are/where unaware of these cases I'd have to say your comment reeks of "palaver" and "ignorance."

Further, even if they (police) were obligated, there simply aren't enough police officers. I expect you are correct Mr. Welch; the government (police) wants ALL citizens to be disarmed as that makes the public easier to control. "

notme wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Many states have specifically precluded such claims, barring lawsuits against State or local officials for failure to protect, by enacting statutes such as California's Government Code, Sections 821, 845, and 846 which state, in part: "Neither a public entity or a public employee [may be sued] for failure to provide adequate police protection or service, failure to prevent the commission of crimes and failure to apprehend criminals." "

notme wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:47 PM:

" McKee v. City of Rockwall, Texas

A woman claimed she was injured because the police refused to make an arrest following a domestic violence call. She claimed their refusal to arrest was due to a city policy of gender- based discrimination. In that case the U. S. District Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit held that "no constitutional violation [occurred] when the most that can be said of the police is that they stood by and did nothing..." "

notme wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Freeman v. Ferguson

The police chief directed his officers not to enforce a restraining order against a woman's estranged husband because the man was a friend of the chief's. The man subsequently killed the woman and her daughter. "

notme wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:46 PM:

" DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services. (right her in Wisconsin)

The Court in DeShaney held that no duty arose because of a "special relationship," concluding that Constitutional duties of care and protection only exist as to certain individuals, such as incarcerated prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and others restrained against their will and therefore unable to protect themselves. "The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf." "

notme wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:45 PM:

" Warren v. District of Columbia

Three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." "

Michael Welch wrote on Jul 8, 2008 12:28 PM:

" No supreme court is going to 'rule' that the government is 'under no obligation to protect' its citizenry -- this is palaver and a fool's argument for the most gullibly ignorant. IF there is a 'correction' or 'clarification' of this unfortunate ruling (and I think that will become inevitable) it will be public and local LAW ENFORCEMENT that leads the charge. Police officers DO NOT want masses of folk 'armed and dangerous' 'out there.' The ruling was five-to-four so a President Obama could indeed have some effect and maybe candidate Obama will garner more nervous cop votes than not this fall... "

notme wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:12 PM:

" You are correct here Mr. Welch, a liberal president would have appointed liberal judges who would rule that the government is under NO OBLIGATION TO PROTECT us, and removed our ability to protect ourselves.

That is why this bias liberal article is incorrect and why we must all do our part to ensure we do not end up living in an Obamanation. "

Michael Welch wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:54 AM:

" This one ain't a-gonna 'go' any time soon folks so if you want more 'liberal' interpretations by the supreme court the answer is to vote for president the candidate likely to appoint the more liberal justices -- which would of course be Obama... "

PHIL OSIFER wrote on Jul 7, 2008 8:50 AM:

" What other of the first 10 ammendments of the Comstitution would you have repealled? Once you start on the first 10 or "Bill of Rights" note it says RIGHTS not privilege the next one's become easier to dismantle "


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